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Well, you people who became disenrolled should level with yourselves, and then go on with your lives. After all, you simply did not have the facts on your side, no matter what you say. The disenrollment corrected an error in the membership roll. Pablo Apis came from elsewhere, and died 3 decades before Pechanga existed. He had nothing to do with any leadership role there. Hence, his descendants lack affiliation with Pechanga. Check out Pablo Apis on the Internet. Yes, this Indian man had a noteworthy career, but no connection to Pechanga. Paulina Walla Hunter presents a mystery. The BIA has no Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood for PWH, meaning the BIA never tracked her as an Indian. We know the names of her parents, Mateo Walla and Eulalia Clift (O'Cliff, etc.), yet nobody knows their ancestry. In their sworn statements regarding the BIA probate of the PWH estate, the Indian people refer to PWH as a neighbor, not as an Indian, and certainly not as from Pechanga. The list goes on. Give it up. You did not (and do not) have a tribal affiliation with Pechanga, and never will. Stop misleading the public by asserting otherwise. The courts have rejected your bogus legal theories and unfounded claims, all the way to the U. S. Supreme Court. The State of California will not interfere in these matters, to reverse an internal tribal decision to remove you from the membership roll. Neither the BIA nor the U. S. Congress, by longstanding policy, will address your plight, following instead the settled doctrine that tribes determine their own membership in their own forum. You still have your American citizenship and all the rights thereof. Enjoy this status, and go on with your daily life as an American.
Well Ed you’re wrong again.
Several depositions submitted to the enrollment committee say quite the opposite.
Several tribal elders that lived during the Temecula eviction 1875 knew Paulina Hunters ancestry very well. Several depositions were translated because the people only spoke Luiseno. This is recorded oral recognition.
The BIA recognizes and recorded Paulina Hunter and all of her descendants since the creation of Pechanga reserve 1882 as Temecula, Pechanga Luiseno Indians.
Even the enrollment committee’s hired gun, Dr. John Johnson said there is no other family that deserves to be Pechanga Indian over the Hunters.
It's amazing that even your own twisted tail does not agree w/ the enrollment committees findings. We are indeed Indian even according to the CPP (Corrupt Pechanga People) committee.
Nuff said for now.
We are here to stay, and this membership error will be corrected.
The probate record clearly states that Dolorus Tortuga knew Paukina Hunter as a Pechanga indian.
The recorder asked her "Are you aqaunted with the deceased Pechanga indian alottee Paulina Hunter?"
Dolores answered "Yes I knew her as a neighbor when WE Pechanga indians lived at the Pauba Ranch."
WE IS ALL INCLUSIVE!
TO ANSWER ANONYMOUS OF DECEMBER 26, 2008, 5:45 PM'S CLAIMS IS GOING TO TAKE TWO POSTS. SO HERE GOES:
"Pablo Apis came from elsewhere, and died 3 decades before Pechanga existed. He had nothing to do with any leadership role there. Hence, his descendants lack affiliation with Pechanga. Check out Pablo Apis on the Internet. Yes, this Indian man had a noteworthy career, but no connection to Pechanga."
PABLO APISH IS WELL KNOWN AS THE HEADMAN OF THE TEMECULA INDIANS FROM THE MID 1800'S. IN FACT THE PECHANGA CASINO SIT ON WHAT WAS PART OF HIS LAND GRANT.
IN FACT OVER 70 PEOPLE ARE LISTED ON THE FIRST WRITTEN ENROLLMENT ROLL FROM 1979 AND MANY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE STILL ENROLLED MEMBERS OF THE PECHANGA TRIBE. FOLKS SUCH AS THE PICOS, THE CALACS, THE MAGEES, THE LUKERS, THE BARRIENTOS, AND NONE OTHER THAN, AMONG OTHERS, CPP MEMBER FRANCIS MIRANDA, ARE ALL DESCENDANTS OF PABLO APISH.
NO CONNECTION TO PECHANGA? THEN WHY ARE SO MANY OF HIS DESCENDANTS STILL IN THE TRIBE?
IT WAS APISH'S GRANDAUGHTER MANUELA MIRANDA'S DESCENDANTS WHO WERE UNFAIRLY KICKED OUT OF THE TRIBE. IN FACT ENROLLMENT COMMITTEE MEMBER FRANCIS VOTED AGAINST HER OWN BLOOD.
after a google search the majority of the hits confirm Pablo Apish as the Headman for the Temecula Indians or "Pablo Apish, a historically significant leader of the Pechanga/Temecula people."
Well the Supreme court nor Congress has heard the merits of the Hunter case.
I'm sure the CPP has forgot that they broke tribal law, and the will of the people.
If the Majority still rules at Pechanga?
People of Pechanga can still fix the problem. Little liers need to be shut down.
IT LOOKS LIKE I WILL REQUIRE EVEN MORE THAN TWO POSTS TO ANSWER ANONYMOUS'S UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS.
ANONYMOUS SAID, " Paulina Walla Hunter presents a mystery. The BIA has no Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood for PWH, meaning the BIA never tracked her as an Indian."
IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN WHY DO HER DESCENDANTS WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH PROBATE FOR THEIR SHARE OF PAUNINA HUNTER'S ALLOTMENT STILL HAVE THEIR LOVED ONES LISTED AS DECEASED MISSION INDIANS (PECHANGA BAND) ON OFFICIAL DEPT. OF INTERIOR PROBATE DOCUMENTS, EVEN IF THEIR PROBATE WENT THROUGH AFTER THE HUNTER'S DISENROLLMENT?
ALSO, EVEN IN THE RECORD OF DECISION AGAINST THE HUNTERS, THE ENROLLMENT COMMITTEE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THE HUNTERS HAVE A LAND PATENT AS TEMECULA INDIANS AND THE COMMITTEE ALSO STATES THAT IT WAS MAKING NO DETERMINATION ON THE STATUS OF PAULINA HUNTER OR HER DESCENDANTS AS NATIVE AMERICANS JUST, WRONGLY I BELIEVE, THAT WE ARE NOT PECHANGA INDIANS.
DON'T YOU THINK THAT IF THERE WAS ANY SHRED OF TRUTH THAT WE THE HUNTERS WERE NOT EVEN INDIANS, THAT THE ENROLLMENT COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE USED THAT IN THE DECSION AGAINST US?
ONE MORE, WITH AT LEAST ONE MORE TO FOLLOW!
ANONYMOUS SAID, "In their sworn statements regarding the BIA probate of the PWH estate, the Indian people refer to PWH as a neighbor, not as an Indian, and certainly not as from Pechanga."
DOLORES TORTUGA IN HER TESTIMONY IN THE 1915 PROBATE FOR PAULINA'S LAND ALLOTMENT SAID WHEN ASKED, ARE YOU AQUAINTED WITH THE DECEASED PECHANGA INDIAN ALLOTTEE PAULINA HUNTER?
"YES, I KNEW HER AS A NEIGHBOR WHEN WE PECHANGA INDIANS LIVED ON THE PAUBA RANCH NEAR TEMECULA, CALIFORNIA."
TORTUGA ALSO GAVE A DETAILED ACCOUNT ON THE FAMILY OF PAULINA HUNTER INCLUDING THE NAMES OF HER CHILDREN IN THE 1915 PROBATE SO CLEARLY TORTUGA KNEW OUR FAMILY WELL AS WOULD BE FITTING FOR A FELLOW PECHANGA PERSON.
AND AS ANOTHER POSTER IN THIS TREAD POINTED OUT, IT IS CLEAR TORTUGA INCLUDED PAULINA HUNTER IN THE 'WE PECHANGA INDIANS"
TORTUGA'S TESTIMONY WAS COLLABORATED BY PECHANGA INDIAN JOSE DAVID RODRIGUEZ WHO ADDED THAT HE KNEW PAULINA HUNTER AS A NEIGHBOR ON THE PECHANGA RESERVATION.
ALSO, ANTONIO ASHMAN, CALLED A VAUNTED (MUCH PRAISED) TRIBAL ELDER ON THE PECHANGA TRIBE'S OWN WEB SITE AND WHO RECOUNTED ON THAT SITE THE TRIBE'S EVICTION FROM THE OLD TEMECULA ABORIGINAL VILLAGE GAVE TESTIMONY ON PAULINA HUNTER'S BEHALF.
HE SAID, WHEN ASKED IF HE KNEW PAULINA AS A MEMBER OF THE PECHANGA BAND THE FOLLOWING::
"YES, I KNEW HER AS SUCH."
SO THE PECHANGA TRIBE BELIEVES HIS ACCOUNT OF THE TRIBE'S EVICTION FROM THE OLD TEMECULA VILLAGE BUT NOT ABOUT PAULINA HUNTER?
What we cant figure out is why this Anonymous poster keeps visiting our blogs. If he/she is so certain that they are right, what does it matter what we tell the public? Afraid of their families dirty little secrets?
Congress is already taking aim at tribal corruption, escpecially when you add millions of dollars to the scheme of things.
What happens when Congress asks Pechanga to open all their books?
THE CPP IS THE DOWNFALL OF PECHANGA
The council, CPP, and disEnrollment committee are all liable when the Government sues them for Defrauding government records. Estates and allottment records defrauded. You really want the government to come in and do a full audit like Mystic Lake? Class action lawsuits by indians who have had their rights violated by non-indians? Records may not mean to much to the CPP, but when the government is sued for not protecting the indians from corruption.
One more post regarding our resident critic's bogus claims:
ANONYMOUS SAID, "We know the names of her parents, Mateo Walla and Eulalia Clift (O'Cliff, etc.), yet nobody knows their ancestry."
YES IT IS TRUE PAULINA HUNTER'S LAST NAME IS LISTED AS WALLA IN HER MARRIAGE RECORD FROM THE 1860'S, HOWEVER IN THE REPORT COMMISSIONED BY THE PECHANGA ENROLLMENT COMMITTEE TO RESEARCH THE HUNTER FAMILY LINE WELL KNOWN EXPERT ON LOCAL INDIAN HISTORY AND GENEAOLOGY, DR. JOHN JOHNSON, INDENTIFIES PAULINA'S FAMILY NAME AS BEING QUASICAC AND THAT HER FATHER MATEO WAS THE ONLY INDIAN LISTED IN THE PARDRONES OF THE EARLY 1800'S THAT WAS ACTUALLY BORN AT THE PLACE CALLED PECHANGA.
DR JOHNSON EXPLAINS THE DIFFERENCE IN LAST NAMES: "MANY INDIAN FAMILIES OF THIS PERIOD (THE 1800'S) WERE ADOPTING THE USE OF SURNAMES, AS WAS THE EURO-AMERICAN CUSTOM. THE CHURCH RECORDS SHOW THAT THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE EXPERIMENTATION WITH SURNAME USE BY ALL FORMER MISSION INDIANS. A VARIETY OF SURNAMES WOULD BE USED, EVEN WITHIN THE SAME FAMILY, BEFORE ONE VERSION WAS FINALLY CHOSEN TO USED AS AN INHERITED FAMILY NAME."
DR. JOHNSON CONCLUDED IN HIS REPORT PAID FOR BY THE ENROLLMENT COMMITTEE, NOT THE HUNTERS, THAT ACCORDING TO SURVIVING HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS THAT THE HUNTERS ARE PECHANGA TEMECULA INDIANS.
IN FACT DR. JOHNSON SAID IN THE TELEVISION INVESTIGATIVE REPORT ON DISENROLLMENT DONE BY KNBC CHANNEL FOUR LOS ANGELES THAT NO ONE TODAY HAS MORE OF A RIGHT TO BE PECHANGA INDIANS THEN MY FAMILY.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/Pechanga_Membership_Battle_Los_Angeles.html
WELL FOLKS, I WILL NEED ONE MORE POST TO RAP THIS UP.
TO OUTSIDE READERS: WHO DO YOU BELIEVE, THE PERSON WHO COMES AND GIVES GENERAL STATEMENTS OR US WHO GIVE SPECIFIC FACTUAL ANWSERS TO THOSE GENERAL STATEMENTS?
OUR RESIDENT CRITIC SAYS THE FACTS ARE NOT ON OUR SIDE BUT WHAT FACTS IS HE REFERRRING TO?
AND ONE MORE TIME REFUTING THE ILLOGIC OF OUR RESIDENT CRITIC:
ANONYMOUS SAID, "The courts have rejected your bogus legal theories and unfounded claims, all the way to the U. S. Supreme Court."
AS ONE OF MY RELATIVES POINTED OUT, NO OUTSIDE COURT THUS FAR HAS EVEN HEARD THE MERITS OF ANY CASE IN DEALING WITH PECHANGA DISENROLLMENT DUE TO JURISDICTION, AT LEAST NOT YET, BUT I BELIEVE THIS MAY VERY WELL BE CHANGING SOON. SO ANONYMOUS IS A LIAR OR IS IGNORANT OF THE FACTS WHEN HE SAYS OUR CLAIMS ARE UNFOUNDED AND HAVE BEEN REJECTED.
ANONYMOUS SAID, "Neither the BIA nor the U. S. Congress, by longstanding policy, will address your plight, following instead the settled doctrine that tribes determine their own membership in their own forum. You still have your American citizenship and all the rights thereof. Enjoy this status, and go on with your daily life as an American."
WELL THANKS TO SITUATIONS LIKE WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPBNING AT TRIBES LIKE SAN PASCUAL, WHERE THE BIA LOOKED INTO THEIR DISENROLLMENT SITUATION AND RULED IN FAVOR OF THE DISENROLLEES AND OTHER DISENROLLMENT CASES THAT THE BIA IS LOOKING INTO SUCH AS THE ROBINSON RANCHERIA, THAT THE BIA WILL SEE THAT WHEN THE MERITS ARE EXAMINED MOST OF THE TIME THEY AGREE WITH THE DISENROLLEES AND NOT THE TRIBES.
YES, WE STILL HAVE OUR AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP BUT WE STILL HAD OUR AMERCIAN CITIZENSHIP WHEN WE WERE UNFAIRLY DISENROLLED AND NOT ONLY WOULD IT TAKE THREE OR MORE POSTS TO POINT HOW PECHANGA VIOLATED ITS OWN LAWS AND PROCEEDURES, WE COULD SHOW THAT PECHANGA VIOLATED THE INDIAN CIVIL RIGHTS ACT THAT SAYS WE HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS WITHIN OUR TRIBES AS ALL OTHER AMERICAN CITIZENS DO ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY OR IN ITS JURISDICTION.
I WILL BE BRIEF AS I REALIZE "ANONYMOUS" IS TRYING TO PLAY THE THIRTY SECOND SOUND BITE GAME.
THE MOST GLARING VIOLATION OF OUR RIGHTS WAS A VIOLATION OF ARTICLE V OF PECHANGA'S OWN CONSTITUTION THAT SAYS "AN INDIDVIDUAL MEMBER'S RIGHTS ARE TO BE UPHELD WITHOUT MALICE OR PREDJUDICE. BUT THERE WERE ADDITIONAL VIOLATIONS OF OUR RIGHTS AND OF PECHANGA LAW THAT I WON'T BE ABLE TO GO INTO IN THIS POST.
IN 2002 NEW MEMBERS WERE ELECTED TO THE BAND'S ENROLLMENT COMMITTEE. IN 2003 THOSE NEW ENROLLMENT COMMITTEE MEMBERS, INCLUDING INDIVIDUALS FROM BOTH THE HUNTER AND MANUEAL MIRANDA FAMLIES, REPORTED WRONGDOING TO THE TRIBAL COUNCIL ON THE PART OF MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FROM THE CPP FACTION OF THE TRIBE.
TO THIS DAY I DON'T KNOW IF THE TRIBAL COUNCIL EVER FOLLOWED UP ON THE ALLEGATIONS BUT THE FACT REMAINS THAT THOSE SAME ENROLLMENT COMMITTEE MEMBERS FROM THE CPP FACTION WERE THEN ALLOWED TO RULE ON THE DISENROLLMENT CASES OF BOTH THE HUNTERS AND THE MANUELA MIRANDAS. SO IT IS NO SURPRISE THAT THOSE TWO FAMLIES WERE THEN DISENROLLED.
A CLEAR VIOLATION OF ARTICLE V OF THE BAND'S CONSTITUTION.
THERE IS EVEN MORE EVIDENCE THAT WE COULD POINT OUT THAT IS IN OUR FAVOR AND SHOW HOW WEAK THE CASE AGAINST US WAS.
BUT FOR NOW, AGAIN I ASK THE OUTSIDE READER, WHO DO BELIEVE, A TRIBAL MEMBER WHO MAKES GENERALIZED UNFOUNDED STATEMENTS OR US WHO HAS THE FACTS ON OUR SIDE THAT REFUTE HIS ASSERTIONS?
They are so jealous! Thats the only reason the 2 families with the MOST PECHANGA BLOOD AND TIES were eleminated, the CPP simply wanted what we have.
We posed the biggest threat to their lies.
Jealous maybe. Corrupt for sure. This take over is 30yrs. in the making. They just hoped they got away with it.
News flash, they did'nt.
CPP Corrupt Pechanga People. The sad story is, some of you know what you did is wrong, what is even sadder is some of you don't care.
The black hearts you bear, so sad.
THE ENROLLMENT COMMITTEE WAS SO SECRETIVE THAT EVEN THOUGH WE PROVED THE HEARSAY EVIDENCE THAT ORIGINALLY INSISTED THE HUNTERS BE DISENROLLED WRONG, THE DISENROLLMENT CASE WAS CONTINUED, THEREFORE THE TRIBE WAS ALSO KEPT ENTIRELY IN THE DARK THAT THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE AGAINST THE HUNTERS. PECHANGA HAS BEEN DISGRACED!
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